Topic: Absent labels & errors in 1959' albums (Bastien) (Mathieu) (Koan)

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dany

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dany @ 2004-04-21 10:25:24 GMT

The Amazing Nina Simone

I think right title is "The amazing", but I don't sure

Colpix

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At Town Hall

Colpix

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One Night

RCA Victor

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link

RCA Victor

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Giant Steps

Atlantic

recording date is 4 May 1959 - 2 Dec 1959

releasing date is 1960

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Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs

Columbia

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Love Is a Gentle Thing

RCA Victor

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The Fabulous Shirley Bassey

Columbia

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The Sound of Music

Columbia koan

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Time Out

Columbia Mathieu





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koan @ 2004-04-21 21:12:34 GMT

The Sound of Music

Columbia koan


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Bastien @ 2004-07-23 20:29:04 GMT

Quote by dany at 1082543124:
One Night

RCA Victor


Hey Dany,


A lot of sites give "RCA" as label.... However, I don't really know if it's relevant to make a distiction between RCA and RCA Victor... do you have any idea?

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dany @ 2004-07-24 12:30:27 GMT

The first issues of Presley's albums were released on label RCA Victor. Sometimes, in the discographys the word "Victor" is omited ..... or they are re-issues.


  • Look these photos:

http://www.pure.cc/~hine/rock/elvis.html

... they are the originals covers of Presley's albums ... the label is RCA Victor.


  • CASH BOX YEAR-END CHARTS: 1960

Top Albums (Pop)

(As listed in the Dec. 24, 1960, issue)


http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/randypny/cashbox/1960YEAP.html





50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong-Elvis' Gold Records,vol.2 RCA Victor LPM-2075


Posterior re-issues were released and change the cover of the album


1990 RCA Records (present name of the label)



1997 RCA Records





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koan @ 2004-07-24 21:12:09 GMT

That's convincing. Thanks!

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Bastien @ 2004-08-12 18:16:17 GMT

So what's the difference between RCA and RCA Victor? Did RCA Victor changed its name to RCA at some point, or what happened?

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dany @ 2004-08-20 13:04:53 GMT

Here there are some data.

I don't know the complete story.



  • In 1901 born the company "Victor Talking Machine"

several series are released ... 78 rpm .... prefix VI



  • In 1919 born Radio Corporation of America (RCA)

  • In 1929 RCA buy "Victor Talking Machine" and born RCA Victor.

  • In late 40' RCA Victor "invent" the single 45 rpm (7")
  • In this time Columbia "invent" the LP 33 rpm (12")

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Today, all is different ...


With the name RCA there are three groups and the owner is the BMG company:


  • RCA Music Group ... with the labels:

RCA

Arista

J
  • RCA Victor Group ... with the labels:

RCA Red Seal

Victor


  • RCA Label Group - Nashville (RLG) ... with the labels:

Arista - Nashville

BNA

RCA - Nashville

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dany @ 2004-09-10 08:58:46 GMT

No much jazz sources discriminate recorded and released dates. You know it ...


Working on Google

key words: "Giant steps" atlantic "john coltrane" 1311

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http://www.bsnpubs.com/atlantic/atlantic12001463.html


(this source, known for all, offer only released dates ...)


1311/SD-1311 - Giant Steps - John Coltrane [1960] Giant Steps/Cousin Mary/Countdown/Mr. P.C./Spiral/Syeeda's Song Flute/Naima

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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000003489/ref/002-2996141-3982456


Editorial Reviews

Amazon.com essential recording

Released in January 1960, John Coltrane's first album devoted entirely to his own compositions confirmed his towering command of tenor saxophone and his emerging power as a composer. (...) --Sam Sutherland

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http://www.bestprices.com/cgi-bin/vlink/075678133725BT


(...)

Producer: Nesuhi Ertegun

Original Release: 1960

Number of Discs: 1

(...)

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http://scolar.vsc.edu:8003/VSCCAT/ABN-6056


Originally released without the alternate takes in 1960 on Atlantic: 1311.

(...)

Recorded April 1, May 4 and Dec.2, 1959 at Atlantic Studios.

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http://www.jcmc.neu.edu/jcdisco.html


(...)

Giant Steps. Atlantic. 1311-2, 1960.

(...)

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http://www.kompaktkiste.de/coltrane.htm


Look for Giant Steps...


. john coltrane - giant steps .

(01.1960/2002 atlantic masters / wea 81277 3610-2)

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http://www.rhino.com/features/tracks/76660trx.html


DISC THREE:

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18. GIANT STEPS - John Coltrane [4:47]

(John Coltrane)

From the album Giant Steps, Atlantic #SD-1311 (1960)

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Bastien @ 2004-09-23 17:57:47 GMT

I believe you are right. Some of it was only recorded in december 1959, so it can hardly been released in 1959 either. Corrected.