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Lau @ 2012-05-13 06:58:44 GMT

Milk Cow Blues



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Performance title : Milk Cow Blues

Artist name : The Nomads

Medium title : Where the Wolf Bane Blooms

Release date : 1983

Record label : Amigo (Sweden) / Closer Records (France)

Catalogue number : AMMP 302 (Amigo) // CL0013 (Closer)

Format : lp - vinyl only

Links (to verify) :

http://www.discogs.com/Nomads-Where-The-Wolf-Bane-Blooms/master/12424


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Lau @ 2012-05-13 07:15:07 GMT

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Milk Cow Blues



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Performance title : Milk Cow Blues

Artist name : The Nomads

Medium title : Where the Wolf Bane Blooms

Release date : 1983

Record label : Amigo (Sweden) / Closer Records (France)

Catalogue number : AMMP 302 (Amigo) // CL0013 (Closer)

Format : lp - vinyl only

Links (to verify) :

http://www.discogs.com/Nomads-Where-The-Wolf-Bane-Blooms/master/12424


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Should be listed under Estes' version

(Found on: The Nomads - Showdown! (1981-1993)/Amigo Music 1994 / SFTRI 333- Nomads-compilation 2cd)

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Bastien @ 2012-06-08 20:53:24 GMT

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Catalogue number : AMMP 302 (Amigo) // CL0013 (Closer)


Actually we have to choose one, the first released. Which one do you suggest?

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Lau @ 2012-06-08 21:03:46 GMT

The first release is on The Wolf Bane Blooms.


On the LP is this information:

3. Milkcow Blues

(Estes, add. lyrics Aquilar)

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Bastien @ 2012-06-09 05:19:05 GMT

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The first release is on The Wolf Bane Blooms.


Got that, but on Amigo or Closer?

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Lau @ 2012-06-09 06:16:22 GMT

The choice of the Dutch Popencyclopedie (Oor) is Closer. Closer and Amigo have a different Nomads-photo on the cover. The one on Closer is absolutely more famous (many sixties band posed precisely the same way)

On the other hand: The Nomads are from Sweden and in Sweden it was on Amigo. They were both released in november 1983 and I can't find more information (date). So it depends on which line you normaly follow at SHS.


Addition: According to this it should be Amigo:

http://drownedinsound.com/directory/artists/The_Nomads

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Bastien @ 2012-08-05 11:14:47 GMT

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On the other hand: The Nomads are from Sweden and in Sweden it was on Amigo. They were both released in november 1983 and I can't find more information (date). So it depends on which line you normaly follow at SHS.


Addition: According to this it should be Amigo:

http://drownedinsound.com/directory/artists/The_Nomads


These are all very good arguments, nice research. And it's in line with SHS guidelines:


Choice of medium

Usually performances are released on many different mediums: singles, albums, etc... These themselves exist in many different releases from different years, countries, etc... Here are a few rules how to choose the medium.

1. Take the earliest release

2. Take the release on the label the artist has signed with. This is often the label of the country the artist originates from.

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Bastien @ 2012-08-08 18:41:58 GMT

So do you mean The Chocolate Watch Band adapted "Milkcow Blues" into "Don't Need Your Lovin", and that this adaptation was covered by The Nomads?

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Bastien @ 2012-08-11 20:00:58 GMT

In that case I need to create a new work, by Aguilar, that has the additional lyrics. To input things correctly in the database, we'd need to identify to Aguilar lyrics.

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Lau @ 2012-08-12 17:31:17 GMT

All answers I could find in my own collection: The Chocolate Watchband covered Milkcow Blues (same version as The Kinks), but they also recorded a song titled Don't Need Your Lovin' (written by David Aguilar). Both versions are on the compilation 'Melt in Your Brain ... not on your Wrist'). The Nomads-cover 'Milkcow Blues' starts with Milkcow Blues (same version as Kinks + Chocolate Watchband), but in the middle and at the end of the song it has an extra couplet, taken from Don't Need Your Lovin' (lyrics: Aguilar). So the Nomads have combined 2 songs, but only one of them is used in the title of this 'new' song.

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Bastien @ 2012-08-12 18:53:30 GMT

Added The Chocolate Wtach Band's Milkcow Blues and Milkcow Blues .


And now that I listed to both... aren't they both Milk Cow Blues covers??

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Lau @ 2012-08-13 18:48:08 GMT

I don't understand. What I see now in your last mail is 2 identical links to Chocolate Watchband - Milkcow Blues. What do you mean by 'both Milkcow Blues covers'?


In my opinion Chocolate Watchband covered Milkcow Blues (and added nothing to it). The Nomads also covered Milkcow Blues, but added parts of another Chocolate Watchband Song: Don't need your lovin'.


But I'm not sure if that is the answer to your question.

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Bastien @ 2012-08-13 19:45:14 GMT

OMG that was very confusing... sorry!


It should have read:


Added The Chocolate Wtach Band's Milkcow Blues and Don't Need Your Lovin' .


And now that I listed to both... aren't they both Milk Cow Blues covers??

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Lau @ 2012-08-14 21:32:55 GMT

I printed the original text from Milkow Blues and compared it with The Nomads and both Chocolate Watchband songs. You are right: Don't need your lovin' is (for the biggest part) a Milkcow Blues cover (but with additional lyrics: The "I don't need..."-part & another title). The Nomads play the Don't Need Your lovin'-version, but have called it Milkcow Blues. That's where David Aguilar comes in sight as co-writer of the Nomads-song.

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Bastien @ 2012-08-18 10:53:43 GMT

Added Milkcow Blues by The Nomads.


One last thing we need to do: Precisely what the additional lyrics by Aguilar are. This will also help to justify the creation of the new work "Don't Need Your Lovin", and why The Nomads' version is a version of THAT particular work.


Can you help?

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Lau @ 2012-08-19 21:31:08 GMT

Lyrics from Arnold (covered by Kinks, Chocolate Watchband etc.)The first six lines are used by Chocolate Watchband in their song Don't Need Your Lovin':


Well I've tried everything to get along with you

But I'm gonna tell ya what I'm gonna do

I'm sick of all your crying, gonna leave you alone

If you don't believe I'm going

You can count the days I'm gone



From this point the song changes into:

I don't need your lovin' anymore

I don't want your lovin' anymore

(Continuing with a variation on the first part):

And I tried and I tried

Everything for you

You left me standing

Here without you

ETC.



The original Milkcow Blues after line five continues with:

Gonna leave you lovin' baby, oh some day

Well if you don't believe I'm going

Watch me leaving you this way


Won't you please, well that sun looks good going down

Won't you please, well that sun looks good going down

But don't that ol' moon look lonesome when your baby's not around


Won't you please, don't that sun look good going down

Won't you please, don't that sun look good going down

But don't that ol' moon look lonesome when your baby's not around


The Nomads actually play Don't Need Your Lovin' (but calling it Milkcow Blues). And because of the identical start of the song it's not so strange.